Having interviewed several stars， including famous film director Jia Zhangke only the day before， I can't say that I was exactly nervous when waiting to come face to face with Zhao Tao， one of my favorite actresses. I was， however， excited. She is， after all， the woman who brought life to Jia's best films and an artist whose loyalty to Jia is mythical. In many ways， meeting her is an even bigger deal than meeting Jia himself. OK， so perhaps I was a little nervous.

在那天之前我采訪過很多明星，包括著名的導(dǎo)演賈樟柯。我不能說在等待采訪趙濤（我最喜歡的女演員之一）時非常緊張，但很顯然，我非常的興奮。畢竟，她參演了賈樟柯導(dǎo)演的多部佳作，但那份略顯神秘的對賈樟柯導(dǎo)演的堅定不移的執(zhí)著更讓我好奇。從很多方面來看，采訪她比采訪賈樟柯導(dǎo)演更具意義。好吧，我承認(rèn)，我的確有那么一點兒緊張。

As I waited， I shuffled through my notes， re-reading the questions I had written a couple of days before when I first learned that she would be available. My questions included such basic ones as \"How did you meet Jia?\" \"What is it like to work with him?\" and \"How are you preparing for your upcoming film?\" But I also wanted to know more about her interpretations of the films she had starred in. For instance， I wanted her to clear up my confusion regarding the final lines of her film The World. In that movie， one character asks another if they are dead. Her character answers， \"No， this is just the beginning.\" I wanted her to elaborate on this answer. Also， I was hoping she could give me insight into her craft and tell me how she makes decisions when acting.

在等待時，我大概地瀏覽了下筆記，復(fù)習(xí)那些在幾天前得知她會接受我的采訪時寫下的問題。我的問題包括一些最基本的，比如：“你是在什么樣的情況下遇見賈樟柯導(dǎo)演并開始合作的？”、“和他工作有什么感受？”以及“你如何準(zhǔn)備你的下一部電影？”但是我最想知道的是她如何理解自己所參演過的電影。比如，我希望她能夠解除我在電影《世界》里最后那段臺詞的疑惑。在那部電影里，一個演員問另一個人他們是不是快死了，另一個人回答說：“不，我們剛剛開始?！蔽蚁Ｍ軌蚪忉屢幌逻@個回答。而且，我也希望她能夠闡述下演繹技巧以及在表演時如何做選擇。

I had read over my questions well. And I was testing my tape recorder for the umpteenth time when there was a knock at the door. It was her， though not as I knew her. In the movies， Zhao is often dressed down. Still， she looks every bit the star. In person， she is so much more approachable. Even though she has a slim， well-disciplined body and a beautiful face， she is not so different from several other beautiful women that I had passed while walking to the hotel.

我又重新仔細(xì)看了下我的問題，反復(fù)檢查了錄音機(jī)直到敲門聲響起。盡管素昧平生，但我知道是她來了。在電影里，她總是艷光四射、星光熠熠。私下里，她看起來要平易近人得多。盡管她有著苗條玲瓏的身段和美麗的臉龐，卻和我在去飯店路上看見的那些漂亮女人是如此不同。

I think that my surprise must have shown through， because Zhao's publicist， also our translator for the interview， asked me if Zhao looks the same in person as she does in the movies. I had to admit that， no， she didn't look the same. However， I didn't explain myself. I was a little worried about offending her. I have heard that actresses could be sensitive. I was even concerned that she would call off the interview if I said the wrong thing.

我想可能是我的表情過于驚訝，趙濤的經(jīng)紀(jì)人，也是我們采訪的翻譯問我趙濤看起來是不是和電影上一樣。我說看起來不太一樣，但沒有說明原因。我擔(dān)心自己是不是有點冒犯她了。我聽說演員都有點敏感。我甚至擔(dān)心如果我說錯了什么她會不會取消采訪。

What a relief it was to find out that Zhao wasn't as delicate as I had thought. She was comfortable and amiable， answering questions that I asked her with grace and charm. She told me how she met Jia， saying that the director searched for six months for an actress to appear in Platform. In his search， he visited the university she was teaching at. He saw her and then knew that he had stumbled upon something special; Zhao has been in every one of his feature films since.

當(dāng)我發(fā)現(xiàn)趙濤沒有我想象中的那般脆弱敏感時我松了一口氣。她表現(xiàn)得很輕松愉快，平易近人，在回答我的問題時始終面帶微笑。她告訴我她和賈樟柯導(dǎo)演認(rèn)識的時候，賈樟柯已經(jīng)花費了六個月的時間找尋出演電影《站臺》的女演員。其間來到了她執(zhí)教的大學(xué)，賈樟柯導(dǎo)演初見她時就很驚訝，感覺趙濤身上有些特別的東西。此后，趙濤幾乎出演了賈樟柯導(dǎo)演的所有電影。

After a few minutes of talking with the actress， I began to see more and more of what Jia must have seen when he first met her. Zhao is expressive but demure， she listens well， and her speech is fluent. That is， when most people talk， they do so with frequent stops and stutters， inappropriate pauses and inflexions， and word choices that they reconsider and then correct. When Zhao speaks， however， she does none of these things. Though she was never trained as an actress， she has a natural gift that gives her grace. She was also amazingly patient with my list of questions， which was， on paper， as long as my arm.

在談話進(jìn)行了幾分鐘后，我開始感受到賈樟柯導(dǎo)演在初次遇見趙濤時所發(fā)現(xiàn)的那種特質(zhì)了。趙濤表情豐富而端莊，她很仔細(xì)地聆聽別人說話，并且表達(dá)清晰。大多數(shù)人說話時通常會滔滔不絕沒有間歇，然后又不適當(dāng)?shù)赝ｎD和轉(zhuǎn)換語調(diào)，不斷糾正修改他們想要表述的話。但趙濤說話時卻完全沒有這些情況。盡管她沒有受過專業(yè)的演員培訓(xùn)，但她有一種天生的才能和優(yōu)雅的氣質(zhì)。并且她極有耐心地回答我那一長串的問題，要知道寫提問的那張紙幾乎和我胳膊差不多長。

I asked her about Jia， what it is like to work with him. She said that they have a strong friendship and that she is enormously grateful to him. For Jia introduced her not just to a world of cinema that she hadn't known， but he also taught her there was so much more to the world than she could've ever imagined. Before she met Jia， she believed that the world is a happy place where good people do good things. Jia， she said， taught her the darkness of life.

我問趙濤和賈樟柯導(dǎo)演在一起工作感覺怎么樣。她說他們是關(guān)系很好的朋友，而且她很尊敬他。賈樟柯導(dǎo)演不僅僅將她帶入了（對她來說）一個完全陌生的電影世界，而且還帶她領(lǐng)略了這個世界所無法想像的另一部分。她說在遇見賈樟柯導(dǎo)演以前她一直認(rèn)為世界是充滿歡樂的，每個善良的人在做著有益的事，是他讓她認(rèn)識了這個世界的陰暗面。

I asked her if this new understanding of the world is good for her.

我問她對于這個世界的新認(rèn)識是好事還是壞事。

She laughed.

她微笑不語。

But then she considered it. After a few moments of deep thought， she said that a person must be willing to face the truth of the world， whatever the truth entailed. A person is a fool if he goes through life misguided. And the truth is that darkness exists in all people. All people are capable of doing dark acts and of feeling sadness. This sadness is not natural for her， but she is now able to understand it better.

她思索著我的話，沉思一會后說，無論這個世界的真實面目是如何不堪，每個人都必須面對。一直被誤導(dǎo)的人是愚蠢的，而黑暗無處不在，每個人都會犯錯或感覺悲傷。悲傷對自己來說并非天生，但現(xiàn)在她能夠更好的理解它。

One of the most interesting things she said to me is that on the set of Still Life， Jia encouraged some of this sadness out of her. The character she was playing was supposed to be melancholy. So Jia told everyone else on the set not to talk to her， ever. As a result， Zhao felt alienated and depressed. It was hard for her， yet Jia's little trick helped her give her best performance to date.

她告訴我一件非常有趣的事，在拍《三峽好人》的時候賈樟柯導(dǎo)演將她的那份悲哀給激發(fā)出了。她所扮演的角色必須很憂郁，因此賈樟柯峰導(dǎo)演告訴現(xiàn)場的所有人都不許和她說話，結(jié)果她覺得非常孤獨和沮喪。這對她來說很難，盡管賈樟柯導(dǎo)演的小計謀的確激發(fā)出了她迄今為止最好的表演。

This was my interview with the great actress. She didn't answer some of my questions， patently refusing to give me hints about the mysteries behind her films. When I asked her about The World's ending， she said that I must figure out the ending for myself. \"This is what every viewer should do\"， she said. She also refused to answer questions about her personal life， questions that I shouldn't have asked in the first place but only did because Valentine's Day was coming up and I wanted to hear her view about love. So， Zhao remains a mystery， even after speaking with me for about an hour. The only thing I can be sure of is that she is an exceptional individual. And even though she repeatedly states that she is so fortunate to work with Jia， I think that Jia may be luckier for the chance to work with her.

這就是我采訪這位出色女演員的全部過程。有些問題她沒有回答我，很明確地拒絕了我關(guān)于電影背后的那些神秘關(guān)系的暗示。當(dāng)我問到電影《世界》的結(jié)局時，她說我應(yīng)該自己去領(lǐng)會，“這是每個觀眾都必須去做的”她說。她也拒絕回答一些私人問題。因為情人節(jié)快到了我想了解下她的愛情觀，所以在一開始就問了一些私人問題。而趙濤在我和她交談了一個小時后仍然保持神秘。我唯一確定的是她是個與眾不同的人，盡管她一再強(qiáng)調(diào)自己很幸運遇見了賈樟柯導(dǎo)演，但我認(rèn)為，說不定賈樟柯導(dǎo)演還在暗自慶幸遇見她了呢。

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1.作者簡介：

Erick Peterson

居住在上海的美國作家，他畢業(yè)于中央華盛頓大學(xué)哲學(xué)系。他熱衷電影，尤其鐘愛西方的“黑色電影”，但同時又為張藝謀和巴斯特#8226;基頓的電影傾倒。他喜歡閱讀、旅行，也喜歡和電影圈中的好友暢談電影、生活和人生。

2.賈樟柯簡介：

生于1970年，山西省汾陽人。1997年畢業(yè)于北京電影學(xué)院文學(xué)系，從1995年起開始電影編導(dǎo)工作，現(xiàn)居北京。法國《電影手冊》評論他的首部長片《小武》擺脫了中國電影的常規(guī)，是標(biāo)志著中國電影復(fù)興與活力的影片。賈樟柯還參與了大量的國際文化活動，成為當(dāng)今亞洲最為活躍的電影導(dǎo)演之一。

2004年，獲法蘭西共和國文學(xué)藝術(shù)騎士勛章獎；

2004年，賈樟柯?lián)味检`國際電影節(jié)評委會主席；

2005年，賈樟柯?lián)稳毡旧叫螄H電影節(jié)評審

2006年，《三峽好人》獲得第63屆威尼斯國際電影節(jié)最佳影片金獅獎；

2007年，獲國際經(jīng)濟(jì)組織“青年領(lǐng)袖”稱號；

2007年，因《三峽好人》獲得首屆亞洲電影大獎最佳導(dǎo)演獎。

主要作品：

《小武》（1998，107分鐘，故事片）

《站臺》（2000，193分鐘/154分鐘，故事片）

《公共場所》（2001，31分鐘，紀(jì)錄片）

《狗的狀況》（2001，5分鐘，紀(jì)錄片）

《任逍遙》（2002，113分鐘，故事片）

《世界》（2004，108分鐘，故事片）

《東》（2006， 70分鐘， 記錄片）

《三峽好人》（2006， 105分鐘， 故事片）

3.趙濤簡介：

趙濤出生于山西省會太原，從小學(xué)習(xí)中國古典舞蹈，1996年考入北京舞蹈學(xué)院民間舞系，畢業(yè)后在太原師范學(xué)院擔(dān)任舞蹈教師。2000年出演賈樟柯電影《站臺》，完成表演處女秀。該片在當(dāng)年威尼斯電影節(jié)推出后好評如潮，她的表演也頗受各國影評的肯定。而后，接連出演了賈樟柯的后兩部作品《任逍遙》和《世界》，幾乎成了賈樟柯的御用女演員。但趙濤本人相當(dāng)?shù)驼{(diào)，對踏入演藝界持保守態(tài)度。

主要作品：

《站臺》

《任逍遙》

《世界》

獲獎情況：

戛納電影節(jié)最佳女主角提名；

威尼斯電影節(jié)最佳女主角提名。